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some further comments

I'll make comments in this color and font.

See this is what I am talking about.
This is not just one or two companies complaining. This is may companies complaining and leaving Lotus Notes. I only see one or two in this thread. As Nathan Freeman pointed out to me offline, a posting like this two years ago got fifty or sixty responses, right off the bat. Things have changed.

I do not know what IBM\Lotus is looking at, but us Developers and Admins in the trenches are seeing Lotus Notes disappear. I would REALLY hate to see Lotus die off to a P.O.S. like Exchange...
I do not know what to tell IBM\Lotus to do but they need to do something. We have been doing lots, like shipping Notes/Domino 8, the biggest release ever.

I do not know how much this will prove my point but, if you go to www.dice.com and do a search for Lotus Notes, you will see less than 1,000 jobs. Now do the same search but for ASP.Net, you will see well over 4,000 jobs. this tells me that Lotus Notes is not in demand anymore because companies are moving to Microsoft....No, it is an apples-to-oranges comparison. ASP.Net is a much broader toolset, and when you search on it, you are explicitly searching for development jobs with that tool set. Notes jobs could be described as Domino jobs as well.

Do not get me wrong my any means, I love Lotus, I have for 12 years, However if what we are seeing continues to happen, we developers and admins will not have a choice but to leave Lotus Notes as well if we want to keep employeed.
I REALLY DO NOT WANT TO HAVE TO DO THAT.... I don't want you to, either.

Also, most CEOs that I have dealt with hate Lotus Notes because they experienced it in some earlier version and think it has not changed.
Maybe IBM\Lotus should do something to prove to them that Lotus Notes has changed.... Like www.ibm.com/lotusnotes . And running ads for that on cnn.com, forbes, etc.

I do not speak for everyone else but I am sure they will agreee with me. Everyone will agree? I am used to "Lotus marketing ____" complaints, have been fielding them for many years (but with decreasing frequency). I do not think everyone will agree, though.
IBM\Lotus PLEASE DO SOMETHING!!!!


Feedback response number EBRL7APRJX created by ~Manny Minboosisteroden on 01/09/2008

IBM\Lotus: What are you doing (~Howard Asatumi... 6.Jan.08)
. . What IBM/Lotus are doing (~Phil Lopveluma... 7.Jan.08)
. . . . True (~Howard Asatumi... 7.Jan.08)
. . . . . . re: Advertising (~Mario Cislugon... 7.Jan.08)
. . . . . . I have seen commercials on TV and a... (~Phil Lopveluma... 7.Jan.08)
. . Here is a list of recent things... (~Lisa Lopresach... 7.Jan.08)
. . From the Horse's Mouth (~Isaac Xantoopu... 7.Jan.08)
. . . . Did you ever stop to think (~Phil Lopveluma... 7.Jan.08)
. . . . . . Ummm .. Yeah, I Did (~Isaac Xantoopu... 8.Jan.08)
. . An Apology (~Isaac Xantoopu... 9.Jan.08)
. . The comparison to "Exchange" is wha... (~Hank Lophipili... 10.Jan.08)
. . . . The Comparisons to Exchange only ar... (~Helga Dwoluthe... 10.Jan.08)
. . . . . . Not to sound defensive, but the "mo... (~Lisa Lopresach... 10.Jan.08)
. . . . . . . . That's a start, I hadn't seen those... (~Hank Lophipili... 10.Jan.08)
. . quote "no one ever got fired for ch... (~James Preresas... 10.Jan.08)
. . . . Hmmm.... (~Miriam Refooma... 10.Jan.08)
. . . . . . I'm not "alone" (~Mario Cislugon... 10.Jan.08)
. . . . I'd fire you (grin.) (~Hank Lophipili... 10.Jan.08)
. . After 9 years in Notes, I am consid... (~Jennifer Opkro... 11.Jan.08)
. . My 2 Cents 1/2 (~Kirk Pretoolit... 11.Jan.08)
. . Same here in France (~Zelda Umwezeng... 8.Jan.08)
. . . . If you've had "successful ND use", ... (~Lisa Lopresach... 8.Jan.08)
. . . . . . Arrogance! (~Isaac Xantoopu... 8.Jan.08)
. . . . . . . . Excuse me? I was asking a question... (~Lisa Lopresach... 8.Jan.08)
. . . . . . . . . . See this is what I am talking about... (~Howard Asatumi... 9.Jan.08)
. . . . . . . . . . . . How is that what you're talking abo... (~Naomi Deskrote... 9.Jan.08)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . asking the right questions (~Hank Quetrepul... 9.Jan.08)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Identification (~Naomi Deskrote... 10.Jan.08)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . OK (~Hank Quetrepul... 10.Jan.08)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . You're changing the question... (~Naomi Deskrote... 10.Jan.08)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . But that is exactly the way the who... (~Yentl Quetkrot... 10.Jan.08)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . "Political decisions" (~Naomi Deskrote... 11.Jan.08)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . I never said it would. (~Yentl Quetkrot... 11.Jan.08)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . It's not just about ads (~Hank Quetrepul... 11.Jan.08)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . IBM / Lotus Sales Effort (~Chris Chukroet... 9.Jan.08)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . AWESOME ... and I do Like Alan (~Isaac Xantoopu... 9.Jan.08)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . Sorry (~Howard Asatumi... 9.Jan.08)
. . . . . . . . . . . . some further comments (~Mario Cislugon... 9.Jan.08)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . ...some further comments (~Lorraine Lopfa... 14.Jun.08)
. . . . . . . . . . re:Excuse Me (~Isaac Xantoopu... 9.Jan.08)
. . . . . . . . . . . . Well, I guess we'll just have to di... (~Lisa Lopresach... 9.Jan.08)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . Finial Statement (~Howard Asatumi... 9.Jan.08)
. . . . . . Because of management decision (~Zelda Umwezeng... 10.Jan.08)
. . . . IBM Marketing vs MS (~Helga Dwoluthe... 11.Jan.08)
. . . . . . Targeting management (~Zelda Umwezeng... 11.Jan.08)
. . support notes (~Arnold Elluter... 28.Sep.11)




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